Maggie Jackson:-Yes, cost. I think that when we as humans can't live with the implications, the repercussions, the consequences of our humanity, then we're really...we're checked out.- We're not really living real life; we're not able to understand that life is circumscribed.- Our choices are limited, etc.- It sounds very philosophical, but I think that the costs are enormous.- And that's the cost of overly counting on virtuality as a kind of a new alternate reality.
Rob Kall:-You know, you're characterizing how these times are in some ways kind of "Asperger-ish."- The disorder or state of mind that's a step before autism, where people kind of avoid other people and they're very self...I don't know how to describe Asperger's.- How would you describe it?
Maggie Jackson:-Well I think Asperger's Syndrome is a high-functioning autism, and I think that it has everything to do with trying to in some ways to control the social encounter.- People feel very uncomfortable with the social encounter and avoid eye contact and can't really deal with all the question marks when you're relating to another human being.- I think those are some of the main forms of Asperger's.-
And here we are, we're talking again about the social relationship, and the depth.- Are we really going deeply with one another?- Doctors interrupt patients, on average, eighteen seconds after a patient begins talking.- A lot of people, I think, anecdotally see the lack of eye contact increasing in the United States, just in public encounters.-
So I think that when parents and kids and people spend very little time with those we live with, dinners, just even face-to-face encounters, are becoming a rare thing in the work place.- So, in that case, the human, physical, face-to-face, bodily, rich form of communication is deteriorating.- It's becoming more rare, and then because it's such a difficult, enormously difficult form of human communication to learn, I think there's a chance that kids aren't really learning how to be with other human beings in a way that...I mean, we can never perfectly do this, but that was the challenge before all of this technology kind of got in the way.
Rob Kall:-And it's our challenge now, because our time is up. Thank you, Maggie.
Maggie Jackson:-Thank you Rob, for having me.
Rob Kall:-It's been a pleasure.