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Talking about Apocalypse and Why the World Doesn't End: Interview Transcript Michael Meade

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Michael Meade:   Well I hope you're right about that.  Now, connection is a movement of the soul, so information would be kind of a movement of the mind.  Information is the most superficial form of knowledge, and it's mostly mental, whereas connection is soulful.  So I would be very happy if we were moving toward an ancient connection, because then we could reconstruct community, which means - the middle of the word community is unity, and community is when people are in healthy and meaningful ways connected.  And that's very much what we need, we live in a culture that is disconnected from it's own soul.  That's why it's so disconcerting what's going on in politics and all, where you see disconnection. 


Then, in a way, you see a kind of non-full connection that happens through social media, and the internet, and computers and all.  Everyone desires to be connected, and yet that's not a full enough connection.  The connections that are meaningful have soul in them.  The places we love that are the places we feel the most connected to, and that kind of a deep and loving feeling is soulful connection, and that's what makes a person feel secure in the world, and valuable in the world, and mostly the modern world lacks deep connectivity.


Rob Kall:   So how do people get soulful connection and deep connectivity?


Michael Meade:   If you take the core idea that I'm saying, that everybody is not empty inside, that from before birth, they used to say, "A person is the body that is wrapped around a soul that is wrapped around story."   So this idea that there is a story unfolding from within, that each individual story has it's own genius from being alive and something to give to the world.  Once you really get that idea, then a person becomes more secure in who they already are.  But modern culture, people tell young people "You have to become something," whereas the old idea there already are something.


 The purpose of culture, which means "to cultivate," was to bring out of each girl and each boy what what's already in there, and when that comes out, the connections and associations become kind of obvious.  Like I'm a story person.  I've got my deep connections to stories when I was thirteen, and I've been trying to live it out more fully ever since.  I find that when I work with youth, and I work with girls and boys all over the culture, is that they're all trying to awaken to who they already are.  That's the purpose of education, that's the purpose of mentoring.  The more a person gets that, the more they feel connected to themselves in the deep sense of the soul, and then from there it becomes an obvious how to connect to both nature and culture, and in that process, it becomes evident what other people a person is most soulfully connected to.


Rob Kall:   I'm hoping that in this interview that you can tell a story.  This is what you do, brilliantly.  Is there any chance that you can tell a story?


Michael Meade:   OK.  Let me consider a story that connects to what we're talking about right now.


Rob Kall:   Let me throw a couple things at you. 1.  Connection would be interesting, another would be, a lot of my listeners and readers are activists trying to make a difference in the world, trying to make the world a better place.  Some of them are revolutionaries.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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