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Talking about Apocalypse and Why the World Doesn't End: Interview Transcript Michael Meade

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Rob Kall:   OK.  The other question I had from what you said before is, you referred to water and earth, fire and air -- what are you referring to?  Is this mythological, or metaphorical or - I have some listeners who might think this is, like, astrology or something.  What are you referring to when you talk about different forces, or elements?


Michael Meade:   The fancy name for is is Cosmology.  Cosmos is a Greek word for "Implicate order; how things go together."  The opposite word is chaos, which doesn't really just mean disorder, it means "gaping maw," or "dark hole," in a way.  So the cosmos, the way things fit together, when experienced on earth, has this dynamic of these four elements that you find in all the tribal and traditional cultures.  There's really five elements, but the four that you find everywhere are Fire, Water, Earth, and Air, let's say. 


The world is made up of these parts, and so are we.  It's a little bit complicated, but think about it this way: the outside temperature today where people are could be sixty degrees or even seventy, and yet a person is ninety-eight point six.  So it implies that we're on fire, that we're burning at a higher temperature usually then the temperature around us.  So there's something in us that's on fire.  Then a person is about seventy percent water, and the earth is about seventy percent water.  In Cosmological terms the way to understand that is, you need seventy percent water to balance the fire that is a in a person; but also there is a fire that is in the earth, and we still don't know the temperature of that fire.  An


d so a person in that sense is a reflection of the earth.  We have a fire somewhere in ourselves like the fire somewhere in the earth.  We have seventy percent water or we get a fever.  The earth has roughly seventy percent water, and then the solidity of the earth is similar to the muscles in the body.  So we have that earthiness which is our own tissue and musculature.  And then we breathe air, we participate with the trees and all of nature in this exchange of air and carbon dioxide, and so in that sense we're tied into and similar like that planet as well. 


So what they used to say cosmologically is each person is a microcosm, a small version of the big cosmos; and that's why, through that logic (which is the old logic, not scientific logic) you can connect the individual soul to the soul of the world.  And why people get concerned about the plight of nature and the plight of the  world is not simply an objective thing; it's also subjective, because our deep soul is connected to the many inspirations of culture, and the many manifestations of nature.   That's what it means to be human: is to be part of the basic elements and also the great dynamic of life.


Rob Kall:   OK.  So, let me take a leap from there.  What you're talking about is ways that we are connected.


Michael Meade:   Yes.


Rob Kall:   Can you talk  about the connection, I really believe that we're transitioning from an information era to a connection era, and I see it when we look at all these giant companies that are forming that help people connect in new ways.

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