JR: Well, I thought so, yeah. They had...we disagreed on that for a long time (laughs). But it all came out in the end so...
Rob: Were you threatened by lawyers as well?
JR: No, no...I was threatened by the government, you know. So but it was...you know, they're still threatening me. You know the whole subpoena on my book I think is mainly because their...the government and the CIA got mad at me for...and the NSA got mad at me for the NSA story in the New York Times.
Rob: Yeah. Well it seems like you've managed to piss off a lot of powerful people. How does that make you feel?
JR: Good. That's kind of my job. That actually is when I feel like I'm doing my best work, and...
JR: Yeah. I tell young people who want to get into journalism that it's the only job I know where you get paid to stick it to the man....and I really feel that's one of the best things about journalism, about investigative reporting.
Rob: That's great. So let me move into the book a little bit.