JM: It's exquisite, and I used to be afraid of heights. Now that I'm not -- that just happened one day, actually at the Torre del Mangia in Siena, when I thought, this is too good to keep missing out on -- I want to go high whenever I can. Just not jump.
JB: Please don't jump! Thanks so much for talking with me, Jackie. This was fun.
Postscript: Jackie got good news while we were doing the interview: she passed her MFA [Master of Fine Arts] dissertation!
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part one of our interview
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