Rob Kall: (laughs)
Douglas Rushkoff: The whole thing is science fiction. It's not real. It won't happen. They're underestimating what humanity is, and what consciousness is. They've got the medium and the message reversed. There's' no such thing. If we still believe this by the time we get there, we're just program zombies anyway. You cannot upload people; you can only upload zombies, data files. So - I wouldn't worry about it.
Rob Kall: What is the difference between what they think they can upload and what you think can't be uploaded?
Douglas Rushkoff: The same difference between a zombie and person. If they really know that, then they'd be able to do it, but they don't. It's undefinable. It's like saying "What is life? Where is God?" You know?
Rob Kall: OK. Then what is your -- go ahead.
Douglas Rushkoff: The questions are unanswerable. But I'm ready to Present Shock here myself, I've got..
Rob Kall: Yeah, you've got to go, so what's your website, and how can people find out more about you?
Douglas Rushkoff: Just go to Rushkoff.com, or ideally, buy the book Present Shock at any bookstore near you.