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Chris Vogler author of The Writer's Journey-- Thinking about applying the Hero's Journey and archetypes

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Last week I wrote a review of The Avengers from an Occupy point of view, raising the question of whether it would be possible to make movies with heroes who are bottom up/horizontal, manifesting the values of Occupy Wall Street. 


That got me thinking of the hero's Journey and Chris Vogler's Writer's Journey, which is a must read book, for writers, on applying the Hero's Journey to stories. You could say that Chris wrote "THE BOOK" on movie heroes.

So I got in touch with Chris and interviewed.
He thinks it's doable. 

What an idea-- movies that make the people who rise up or wake up or come together the hero. 
There are bits and pieces of a movie like this that have been done, which makes it more possible. 


Christopher Vogler   is a Hollywood development executive best known for his guide for screenwriters, The Writer's Journey: Mythic Structure For Writers. His newest book is titled Memo From the Story Department. 

Vogler has worked for Disney studios, Fox 2000 pictures, and Warner Bros. in the development department. He has also taught in the USC School of Cinema-Television, Division of Animation and Digital Arts as well as at UCLA extension. He is President of the company Storytech Literary Consulting.

Rough interview notes-- primarily the questions I asked. 

http://www.thewritersjourney.com

American movie model is usually about one person who can make a difference

The very idea of what a hero is will shift from one culture to another culture. 

In some, it's the community or family working together. 

We have some stories like that-- 

Three Musketeers

But it's a little more come in some parts of the world. 

   In general--- 

In Asia, often in India, the myths will have individuals, but may also have stories". about the gang, the team, the brotherhood. 

You can see it in Lord of the Rings-- building something, this team, the fellowship of the ring. 

Rob: It's complicated because of the steps the mythic hero goes through. You think it's a viable story that could be developed?

Chris-- more than that I think it could be really powerful. 

Chris gives the Classic Hero's journey description

Rob: There are archetypes associated with the hero's journey. What are they, starting with the hero?

Rob:  How would that look for a group?

Rob:What's the next most important archetype?

-- the relationship between hero and mentor"

threshold guardians-- 

trickster, shapeshifter, shadow, ally

Rob: what's the chance of a collective hero major movie being made.

Rob: To make this kind of movie, you have to start with a great story, that readers or viewers can empathize with and be drawn into the story trance.


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